I have a question. Where I can find the Bolognese Swordsmanship Treatise about Paired Swordsmanship?

Manciolino and Marozzo both have sections for using two swords.

Steve

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Hi! Thank you very much! Recently I participated a paired swords class by Phil Marshall and Oliver Barker in England. I feel it very interesting. Especially my foundation of Chinese Martials Art help me learn the techniques very quickly.

Another question! Could you give a link which is English Translation?

I found Manciolino's material here:
www.hemac.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=15
[last accessed 22 Mar 2006]

I found Marozzo's material here:
www.marozzo.org/marozzotrans.pdf
[last accessed 27 Feb 2007]

cheers,
Richard
www.renfence.com.au

I have a question! Because the description in the treatise is in a simple way, how about the actual techniques are sometimes depent on individual understanding?

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, so here are a few general thoughts on the two-swords stuff. In order to understand any of the techniques of Bolognese Swordsmanship (i.e. the actions given in Manciolino, Marozzo, et al.), it is necessary that you are familiar with the terminology and the fundamentals (the steps, cuts, thrusts, guards, etc.). In the case of the two swords material, I'd say that it is rather advanced material (certainly it is not a starting point for the Bolognese system) and even beginning to look at the two swords material requires a firm understanding of Bolognese Swordsmanship. This usually means a few to several years of study in this system before one has a level of understanding of the material which is adequate to the task. My general advice to someone interested in this material would be to first become proficient with the Sword and Buckler, Sword-Alone, and Sword and Dagger material, so that you can perform all of the fundamental actions consistently and correctly with your sword in either hand; then, start to look at the material for two swords.

Steve

Thank you very much!

Because all the swordsmanship system is revived by peope through reading treatise. As a result, people in different martial arts ability must have different understandings.

I just feel that ability of martials arts and sparring experience will influence the understanding.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. However, the swordsmanship is/was not being revived only by reading the treatises, but also by practicing what is in them. In this case (two swords), I feel that it really is necessary, regardless of prior martial arts experience to learn the Sword and Buckler, Sword-Alone, and Sword and Dagger first (perhaps one might "shortcut" this a little by skipping sword and dagger)--in each hand--although previous martial arts experience might speed up this process.

Steve

Thank you very much!

I do not want to fight or sparry in the bolognese way. I just want to learn something useful into my own martial arts system.

I just want to jump in and point out briefly for other people who might be reading, that it is not a good idea to approach the Italian sword arts with the intent of learning them by forcing them into the mold of another, typically Eastern, art. That's not what the prior poster is wanting to do, but it is something I've seen often enough that I think it bears pointing out, that while an Eastern martial arts background may be helpful sometimes, (as could football, that is, the real round one, not the ridiculous pointy one of which we'll speak no more of), you have to be able to empty your cup and approach the art as new, rather than trying to short cut it - otherwise, while someone may end up being somewhat effective, they're never going to reach their goal of performing the art.

Thank you very much!

Maybe you do not know eastern martial arts exactly! The useful thing I mean is the experience from duelling or fighting in the treatise. Before I watched the demostration of bologonese paired swords, I have correctly guessed out how it works according to my knowledge of eastern martial arts.